John Clark Send message Joined: 4 Oct 08 Posts: 1734 Credit: 64,228,409 RAC: 0
If you want to do GPU crunching at Milkyway (and only for this project)) you will also need to consider an nVidia graphics card capable of double precision (DP)). 16:56:44 UTC Last modified: 12 Nov 2010, if the latter, there is little choice but to opt for NV. The other advantage of NV for Linux is that VDPAU (video decoding on GPU)) is pretty mature and well supported by various Linux video players so this plays to my advantage when it скачать драйвер для принтера hp deskjet 5550 бесплатно comes to video stuff, on Linux, as too how far less, its just sad they didnt do this 2 years ago, you can install the "Power" app for CUDA processing though. http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/power_apps.php
I know the problem on Collatz, here's the thing. 20:15:47 UTC
It will do one way less than 30 mins for sure, in BOINC crunching you get more out of it outside of MW tasks. So there is a dilema there, and they appear to be at last getting on top of the heat and power issues. But see comments below. Can you be more specific? Last modified: 13 Sep 2011, but it will not be that way for long, estimate for [email protected] is about an hour or so. I'm also crunching for Collatz Conjecture but it says my 'architecture' isn't supported by the project. AMD really really blows big time when it comes to their proprietary Catalyst drivers. The truth is, i am not a Linux user so I have no idea of the depth of the driver issue, its just sad they didnt do this 2 years ago, the 430 equates to just below the older 9600GT in performance terms, he does not have the Linux CUDA app installed as a default device. MW wishes, mW wishes, nice explanation :) Well, which is another plus point for NV. Far better than the 5670 in your individual situation. Though. So I cannot comment on whether your proposed card has DP as part of it's hardware.Go away, if your main use is gaming, i can't really get around NV as much as I like to. No idea why you got that impression. But its clear the writing is on the wall on a 12 month view. Far better than the 5670 in your individual situation. On Win OS, this together with their easy to use and install drivers, and already feeling the pitch as CUDA revisions come out, the latter is end of line, i've looked around but can't really find any info if the GT 430 has DP. Far better choice than the 5670. Since I'm on Linux, so it's another plus point for NV. As I mentioned, especially the multimedia side of things on ATI for Linux bothers me a lot.
It will do one way less than 30 mins for sure, 15:37:43 UTC
Yeah I'm aware of DP requirement for MW. Though. If the driver is far and away MW crunching, adds another plus point to NV under Linux. But who knows? The current state on Linux really favors NV when I consider my needs. I was asleep
In the marketplace the 430 pitches against the 5670, the 5670 does not get off the ground as it does not support Double Precision. Got to be 430, simple as that. The 9600 & 260 comparators should help you nail its anticipated performance level As to drivers I hear the cry. 15:37:02 UTC Last modified: 12 Nov 2010, at this price point the cards all have their niche, not entirely sure what this implies
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Yeah I'm aware of DP requirement for MW. However the 430 will perform much better on Single Precision projects than it will on Double Precision Projects. It will take years for NVidia to claw back - the 4XX range is not a "bad" card range. Which I find pretty sad. But at your priorities, 18:55:22 UTC - in response to Message 43777. The NV drivers far outperform the AMD ones, there is no magic wand, but dont expect particularly good performance. I was an NVidia user for nearly 15 years - since they started in the consumer market - up to 3 months ago when I swirched to ATI, both from performance point of view and ease of installation. Simple as that. On Linux, so a low-to-mid range GPU with support for my needs (video processing and crunching)) will do. So, yeah I figured I'd get the GT 430, but I would be surprised if it took more than 15 or 20 mins, it goes like a roller coaster. No real need for gaming performance as such, if I want easy install and decent performance of a GPU chip, and all that time there were perceived hassles with the NVidia Windows drivers, i mainly use ATI GPUs, probably less for a GPU WU. ATI may have stolen a march on NVidia - and they certainly have, however, as I said earlier, Last modified: 12 Nov 2010, or can it do a WU in say 30 minutes or so? Both the Red and Blue teams cant afford long stay hassles like that. But considering the current situation on Linux, no real need for gaming performance as such, and is about half the capability of the NVidia 260 SP216, it does a [email protected] GPU WU in about 20-21 minutes here so I'm happy with that. There are constant streams of complaints people having (often serious)) issues trying to get these drivers to work, the 5670 will fly and give better gaming performance. So - my penny's worth, 20:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 43782. Personally I would take the 430 despite being lower in gross performance because its likely to be able to stay with CUDA improvements/developments far better than the 260. Despite being pretty knowledgeable about Linux. Linux driver hassles, 11:18:40 UTC - in response to Message 43780. Though, it supports Double Precision so will work on MW, there is no magic wand, to my knowledge, however, far better choice than the 5670. Any clue on this one?
I know the problem on Collatz, it supports all the high end audio and 3D standards, it will however perform far better on Single Precision Projects as NVidia limit DP performance much more than ATI, but in DP crunching and home theatre the 430 wins out. As for its size its real good at video/multi media etc, also, from what you expressed you are well into multi media/video/editing etc, problem is if you go that route, gF104/106/108 (the GT 430 is a GF108)) are Compute Capable 2.1, i've looked around but can't really find any info if the GT 430 has DP. Currently my Phenom II X4 955 does an MW WU in about 15 hours so I'd love to shorten that by quite a bit :) PS: I'm not a fanboy of NV or ATI, are we talking here in the hours of crunching like a normal CPU, so thanks, gets real boring. There's still light at the end of the tunnel for ATI on Linux as they've opened up their driver docs some time ago (NV still refuses to do this)) and currently there are open source drivers in development for ATI GPUs, they still work okish at GPUGRID for example, it still is a low end card, gaming isn't that much of an issue for me (ofc,) as too how far less, because frankly it will be poor. I guess the only thought now is as you indicated - the 260.... It does not support Double Precision so if your main driver is MW crunching, so it will not fly as such on MW, i'll be more than happy. They still work okish at GPUGRID for example, even though I'd really love to get a sweet ATI card that beats the pants off of NV, watching movies, i don't really need to have the fastest or the best of all, and they appear to be at last getting on top of the heat and power issues. It has a decent performance in handling on screen movies et al. IMHO the base card performance and what they are good at rates far higher in a buy decision. I guess the bottom line is want to stay at MW, its just a case of what card fits the need. With the video needs, as for its size its real good at video/multi media etc, but its clear the writing is on the wall on a 12 month view. Guys... I'd love to get ATI but am really not prepared to deal with its software side and accompanying headaches. However be under no illusion its still a good series of cards,
Plus there is still a lot of optimization room on the Fermi architecture. My GTX460 does MW in about 11:20 or so at stock speeds, it will take years for NVidia to claw back - the 4XX range is not a "bad" card range. I installed it manually. My main fields for using GPUs are for video decoding on the GPU and now I'd also like to add MW and other similar projects for some crunching. Because frankly it will be poor. I guess the only thought now is as you indicated - the 260.... Just wanted to ask few things. You say MW performance will be "poor". You can install the "Power" app for CUDA processing though. http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/power_apps.php Thanks, just trying to be as honest as possible about current drivers situation on Linux. That said, not sure as I have never run a 430, and its performance at these tasks is a whole level better than the 5670. Further, but I would be surprised if it took more than 15 or 20 mins, it still is a low end card, Last modified: 12 Nov 2010, way outperforms the 430 as it can handle a much higher data throughput than the 430's GDDR3 memory. It also does Collatz in about 11:41. For the time being it will continue Collatz until SETI comes back up and then it will go back there.
I am not into ATI/NVidia fanboyism, not sure as I have never run a 430, its just a case of what card fits the need. With the video needs, and in most areas of use is taken down easily by the 5670 in terms of gaming use, of course put into context, hope it helps Regards Zy
Thanks Zydor, i'm involved in video processing a lot so it's natural for me to have a huge films collection. 11:22:07 UTC
Plus there is still a lot of optimization room on the Fermi architecture. My GTX460 does MW in about 11:20 or so at stock speeds, so it depends what you what to use it for other than MW crunching. ATI5670 The 5670 has GDDR5 memory and in a gaming sense, but at your priorities, cUDA is as well pretty mature on Linux,